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DSC Frustration, Or Maybe Ignorance

December 17th, 2007 · by Tim Flanagan, Managing Editor

I’ve written an article about DSC (Digital Selective Calling) which should appear in the January issue of 48° North, our local sailing magazine.

Mainly, I wanted to reiterate the Coast Guard’s advice that we register for a MMSI number, install the radio correctly, connect a GPS, and enter the MMSI number into our radios.

One of my secondary points in the article was that the vast majority of us don’t make any non-emergency use of the DSC communication infrastructure. My initial assumption had been that if more of us knew about these features, more of us would use them.

I no longer believe this. DSC appears to suffer from some significant user interface shortcomings that dissuade boaters from using it, and when you do use it, it doesn’t really do everything you might expect.

Recently, I had an opportunity to test some of the non-emergency DSC features with the help of a fellow C-Brat. We tested hailing a specific boat, hailing a Group MMSI, and sending a position request to a specific boat.

It all works, don’t get me wrong. But it’s a big hassle! Not "impossible", just awkward, and a little frustrating. There’s always plenty to do aboard a boat, and fiddling with a less-than-intuitive user interface, with bad ergonomics to boot, just doesn’t rate very high on most folks’ "to do" lists.

THAT’S why nobody uses the other DSC features, in my opinion.

Here’s what I’m talking about: On smaller VHF radios, there is no keypad, so entering each digit of a nine-digit MMSI number is accomplished with a knob or a pair of up/down keys. This isn’t difficult, but it isn’t especially pleasant. The display is small, and if the boat’s moving, those tiny numbers are sort of jittering around while you try to keep an eye out for traffic and logs, AND read the number off the handwritten note or email you printed out at home.

This one tiny obstacle, all by itself, is virtually guaranteed to prevent 90% of potential users from ever bothering with it. Sometimes I think manufacturers forget that most of their customers don’t really love the technology for its own sake; they love tools that make it easier to accomplish something.

But bear with me a moment. So once you’ve got your target vessel’s MMSI entered, the system doesn’t always do what you might expect, and sometimes you’re left wondering if you made a mistake. The feedback can feel somewhat incomplete. Did it work? Did I do it right? Should I try again? I’m not really sure.

 

Or here’s another example: Some systems don’t do what you might expect with other vessels’ position data. I’ve got a Raymarine C-80 connected with NMEA cable to my Ray-54 DSC VHF radio. The chartplotter forwards my position info to the radio, and the radio sends…what?…back to the chartplotter.

I’m not sure it sends anything. In fact, in an earlier post about NMEA Multiplexer workarounds, I believed that the VHF radio was a "listen-only" NMEA device, receiving GPS position info without sending anything back over NMEA.

But when I sent a DSC "position request" call to my friend, I got the position info back from his DSC radio, and it appeared on the radio’s display. Without even thinking about it, I did something that felt completely natural and intuitive: I looked at the chartplotter to see where he was.

Oh wait…the chartplotter doesn’t KNOW where he is, if my understanding is correct, because the radio doesn’t send anything out over NMEA.

So hold on. I’ve got an AIS-ready chartplotter and it won’t display the positions received from my DSC radio? What if somebody sent a DSC distress message? Am I really expected to transcribe the lat/long by hand over to my chartplotter?

No, that cannot be right. I must have misunderstood. The radio must be both a talker and a listener on the NMEA network. Maybe I’ve just got some configuration setting wrong, and that’s why the target wasn’t displayed on my chartplotter. This seems so obvious that now I’m not at all sure what the reality is.

If any readers know something more about DSC radio integration with chartplotters, particularly on Raymarine C- and E-series equipment, please let me know. Obviously, I’m feeling a little bit confused!

Anyway, the point is that DSC appears to be a powerful technology with a lot of potential, but it doesn’t seem like it’s really being explored thoroughly. I’m definitely not out on the bleeding edge of marine electronics the way Ben Ellison of Panbo is, so maybe I’m just unaware of the various cool recreational and commercial DSC spin-off applications that, it seems to me, ought to be inevitable. Can anybody help fill me in? Please?

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8 responses so far ↓

  • Richard Rodriguez // Dec 19, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    I hear ya bro. The mfgs make it difficult.

    I’m waiting for AIS to be built into the radio. Yea I’d pay extra. Hopefully there will be an industry standard interface.

    You’d think we could learn from the airline industry and standardize things.

  • Lookoutsailors // Dec 20, 2007 at 4:52 am

    Tim,

    Agreed. I found this report on the CG website which addresses some of the issues, but cures little. http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/MARCOMMS/gmdss/mmsi-11.3.pdf

  • Tim Onders // Dec 20, 2007 at 4:56 pm

    The C-80 does have some DSC integration.

    Most DSC radios send the DSC (DSC Data) and DSE (Extended DSC Data) NMEA sentences, so you need to see if the plotter supports these. There’s apparently a system configuration setting on the C-80 (which defaults to OFF) to display this data.

    It’s unclear whether this only works for received distress messages, or if it works for all DSC calls which include position information, but it’s something to try.

  • Tim Flanagan, Managing Editor // Dec 20, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    OK, I just looked at the most recent C-series documentation (http://www.raymarine.com/raymarine/SubmittedFiles/Handbooks/Navigation/81221_2.pdf), and the “DSC On/Off” setting under System Integration, which I had already verified was “On”, probably only applies to DSC Distress messages. Here’s what it says: “When set to ON, details of distress DSC messages are displayed on screen.” Well OK. How do I test THAT?! :-)

  • Ben // Dec 21, 2007 at 4:03 am

    Tim, I don’t know if your Ray 54 outputs DSC position/mmsi messages, but it should say so in the manual (which I can’t find online). There are, unfortunately, a lot of radios that take NMEA 0183 GPS position in, but don’t have any output. That’s changing though.

    I can tell you that a Raymarine E-Series will plot DSC calls of all sorts, regardless of who made the radio (as long as it outputs the data). I tested a bunch of radios and plotters back in the Spring of 2006. A good place to start with my entries is here:

    http://www.panbo.com/archives/2006/06/dsc_doh_the_m821_gotcha.html

  • Damon // Dec 26, 2007 at 5:42 am

    We have been cruising the Western Caribbean for three and a half years now and have used our DSC enabled VHF radio to make personal calls to our friends all the time. Almost in every anchorage we have a friend that is programmed, and the word usually gets out how we call each other and others are usually eager to learn how to do it. It’s amazing that so many people don’t know the benefits of calling each other via DSC, like not clogging up the calling channel (though that’s not really important in our cruising grounds). It’s a great feature and works well for us. I too would prefer to have a radio with a keypad, even AIS integration would be nice. Our Northstar VHF721 is hooked up to our Northstar M84 display so we have the capability to poll a buddy’s position, though we don’t use that feature very often.

  • Sandy Daugherty // Jan 11, 2008 at 11:43 am

    If you still haven’t seen a position request reponse on your C-80, you might just check your connectors. You are getting NMEA from your C-80; you can see it on the radio face, but the NMEA wire pair from the radio to the C-80 is in question.

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