Comments on: Homeland Security Calls On Boaters http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/ Tech and Tools for Cruisers Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:17:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Small-Vessel Security Strategy Nit-Picking | Navagear.com http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1512 Small-Vessel Security Strategy Nit-Picking | Navagear.com Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:05:51 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1512 [...] Whew! OK, I’ve read it. I’ve read the Department of Homeland Security’s 57-page Small Vessel Security Strategy that was announced on Monday. We’ve got a lively discussion in the comments associated with Navagear’s first post about this. [...] [...] Whew! OK, I’ve read it. I’ve read the Department of Homeland Security’s 57-page Small Vessel Security Strategy that was announced on Monday. We’ve got a lively discussion in the comments associated with Navagear’s first post about this. [...]

]]> By: Tim Flanagan, Managing Editor http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1511 Tim Flanagan, Managing Editor Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:30:23 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1511 Actually, I was thinking about Captain Jack's post, and it occured to me that "mandatory Class B", which has been rumored from time to time, might be just the thing the Department Homeland Security is working toward. Not Class A, I don't think, for the reasons Captain Frank mentions. Class B data could be easily filtered out by vessels who don't need it, while the authorities could monitor as much of the Class A and Class B data as they like. And aside to all readers: please try to keep the tone civil. Captain Jack is a real live professional mariner. Captain Frank says he means no disrespect. Let's accept that and move forward. Actually, I was thinking about Captain Jack’s post, and it occured to me that “mandatory Class B”, which has been rumored from time to time, might be just the thing the Department Homeland Security is working toward.

Not Class A, I don’t think, for the reasons Captain Frank mentions. Class B data could be easily filtered out by vessels who don’t need it, while the authorities could monitor as much of the Class A and Class B data as they like.

And aside to all readers: please try to keep the tone civil. Captain Jack is a real live professional mariner. Captain Frank says he means no disrespect. Let’s accept that and move forward.

]]> By: Capt. Frank http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1510 Capt. Frank Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:03:12 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1510 Capt. Jack, No disrespect, but I really hope you are being facetious, because if you aren't, then you are clearly not a professional mariner. Everyone use Class A? Um, I'm sorry but I actually would like my AIS data to be relevant and discernible. All that notwithstanding, I'd like to take my chances with recreational boaters and not require them to carry any identification. Trust me, I'm not going to be looking at the Class B AIS data, and even if I did see a contact moving right towards me at a high rate of speed, what the heck am I supposed to do about it? Capt. Jack,
No disrespect, but I really hope you are being facetious, because if you aren’t, then you are clearly not a professional mariner.
Everyone use Class A? Um, I’m sorry but I actually would like my AIS data to be relevant and discernible.
All that notwithstanding, I’d like to take my chances with recreational boaters and not require them to carry any identification. Trust me, I’m not going to be looking at the Class B AIS data, and even if I did see a contact moving right towards me at a high rate of speed, what the heck am I supposed to do about it?

]]> By: Wes http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1509 Wes Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:19:35 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1509 It's interesting that they use the USS Cole as an example; if a warship can't defend itself from an attack like this then we are going to need a lot more to "protect us" than this program offers. A wise man once said: "a man who sacrifices his liberty for security will receive neither." It’s interesting that they use the USS Cole as an example; if a warship can’t defend itself from an attack like this then we are going to need a lot more to “protect us” than this program offers.

A wise man once said:
“a man who sacrifices his liberty for security will receive neither.”

]]> By: Lars Krumme http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1508 Lars Krumme Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:41:25 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1508 Tim, the full copy of the plan is available on the DHS website at http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/small-vessel-security-strategy.pdf. As I mention on a <a href="http://www.sailing-the-northwest.com/2008/04/can-small-boats-really-help-fight-terrorism/" rel="nofollow">related post</a>, this announcement comes on the heals of the launch of the $10 million West Coast Maritime pilot program currently underway on Puget Sound. We have the distinct privilege of being the test bed for the training and arming of harbor patrols with radiation detection equipment. The DHS will be taking the summer to develop the specifics of how they will implement this strategy. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Tim, the full copy of the plan is available on the DHS website at http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/small-vessel-security-strategy.pdf.

As I mention on a related post, this announcement comes on the heals of the launch of the $10 million West Coast Maritime pilot program currently underway on Puget Sound. We have the distinct privilege of being the test bed for the training and arming of harbor patrols with radiation detection equipment.

The DHS will be taking the summer to develop the specifics of how they will implement this strategy. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

]]> By: Homeland Security and Boaters | Craft A Craft http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1507 Homeland Security and Boaters | Craft A Craft Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:25:31 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1507 [...] Homeland Security and BoatersNavagear has a post that might be of interest to our US based readers (and potential visitors to the [...] [...] Homeland Security and BoatersNavagear has a post that might be of interest to our US based readers (and potential visitors to the [...]

]]> By: RLW http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1504 RLW Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:23:47 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1504 Sailing Anarchy ( http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php ) today also covered the new DHS stuff... They pretty much say it all and get it right. Sailing Anarchy ( http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php ) today also covered the new DHS stuff… They pretty much say it all and get it right.

]]> By: Captain Jack http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1503 Captain Jack Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:38:16 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1503 Why would the government want to support class B if you could just stall long enough to get everyone to use Class A. Class A has a much longer range than B. Create a demand for Class A systems and the price will go down. The Class B only exists because of price of Class A. Right? Why would the government want to support class B if you could just stall long enough to get everyone to use Class A. Class A has a much longer range than B. Create a demand for Class A systems and the price will go down. The Class B only exists because of price of Class A. Right?

]]> By: b393capt http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1502 b393capt Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:50:33 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1502 I was looking for mention of AIS ... only found one. Wanted to see if this document had any hints to holding up class B, but didn't see anything. I was looking for mention of AIS … only found one. Wanted to see if this document had any hints to holding up class B, but didn’t see anything.

]]> By: Richard Rodriguez http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/comment-page-1/#comment-1501 Richard Rodriguez Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:29:15 +0000 http://www.navagear.com/2008/04/homeland-security-calls-on-boaters/#comment-1501 Amen Tim, You personal comments are right on the mark. Amen Tim,

You personal comments are right on the mark.

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